( love is... a sensitive subject, as someone like komaeda who loves every ultimate in existence, yes, he still does love amami despite those faults, but as he thinks on the tape aside from his talent, to hear saihara's name mentioned, the hopegasming comes to an end. he swallows down the saliva in his throat, the flustered expression dying down as he looks at natsume. )
...Is that what you think?
( komaeda has a nasty behavior, but to think that amami is why saihara is here, killed him to have stronger hope, and then was killed along the way? it's difficult to explain how komaeda feels, love is... such a concept that clouds anyone's eyes depending on how they feel for another. )
I loved Saihara-kun. ( he starts. ) The Ultimate Detective... I felt as if his greatness was covered in the filth of those around him, dampening his light, and he drowned to the bottom like the rest, but you have no business commenting on that. You were part of his ascent to greater heights. I wonder does it hurt you to say that about him, Sakasaki-kun.
( as for amami, however, komaeda leans against the table, and this is where his smile dims itself. amami rantarou, the ultimate survivor, that such of responsibility, that hope is stronger than most. living, succeeding, but it can be written in so many ways — did he kill his way, or was he a coward who stayed in the shadows to survive. )
...I also love Amami-kun, and yet if he has connections to the killing games, that would make him...? No... I don't feel... ( despair... he mumbles, hand to his chin as he turns away from natsume to turn back around, pacing in thought. his heart skips a beat, but there's a part of him that hurts too... he feels a sickness in his stomach, and a small pain in the back of his head; maybe a migraine, maybe he's thinking too much. his smile flashes briefly in his thought, trusting, warm, and now he's seen some truth, some information that he has to hold onto.
there's a part where he's hesitant, unsure about these recent developments because he doesn't know whether to cry in joy, or wonder if something is wrong with his senses. but... did enoshima have a successor? )
( of course it hurts to speak ill of shuichi; he respected him, found him one of his peers. a good person to talk to, a selfish and kind character. to hear komaeda loved him--unsurprising. to hear he loves amami--also unsurprising.
they're both ultimates. )
So he killed whoever that WAS. Good for HIM. That doesn't erase the fact he decided he wanted to play aGAIN. ( which... which doesn't settle with natsume, at all.
given the chance, wouldn't you just divorce yourself from the experience? why go again, with the hopes of ending it quicker than the last? ...he's suspicious, but natsume understands people aren't completely black and white either. maybe there was some kind of agreement amami had. or maybe amami's an asshole, soft-spoken and kind-seeming but willing to ruin lives for the sake of "something better"--which isn't something natsume completely disagrees with, but the method, there, is the problem, always has been, whether it's people he knows from here like komaeda or people he remembers from home like eichi.
the only one who knows the answer to that query, though,
would be the man himself. natsume zips his bag up, pressing his lips together briefly before he turns back to komaeda. ) Why would anyone want THAT, Nagito-kun? Especially if they were simply planning on ending it almost immediately anyway--it doesn't sound like Amami-kun was hoping to help anyone's hope GROW.
...If he played again, that could make him the new Mastermind. ...Though, it's not unfamiliar to have a positive relationship with Monokuma, or if that was... just a ploy.
( komaeda has a good relationship with monokuma, always calling his headmaster over when he needed to know something, or or needed a certain item from him. he didn't get everything he wanted, but he got enough to where they had a almost positive outlook towards one another. the conversation though, it comes easy to him having been in his own killing game, and he watches natsume as if he's ready to say this video is a joke — doesn't seem to be, he's taking this as seriously as he does everything that threatens his existence. )
Perhaps those Ultimates in his first game were weak, and he wanted to spread hope through another one, but...
( he himself has raised an almost mastermind, monaca was meant to be the second junko — all the way to the point her way of dress, and change of personality was likened to hers. he would build up her despair that hope would break though, changing the trajectory of every person's lives around the world. the thought of why makes him tighten his fist into a ball, his nails pressed into the palm. he doesn't want to love and to hate amami. ) ...It's complicated, I can't doubt him... ( he can be wary. ) but it's not unfamiliar. In the second killing game, the Mastermind killed their own sister to relish in despair. ( one. ) So... you're correct, he could have done it to not spread hope...
The first killing game of Hope's Peak Academy didn't prove fruitful for us... Every student from the Student Council was forced to play, and they all died one by one... Due to that event, you can say despair had planed its seed, and destroyed Hope's Peak from the inside out, calling the school a liar, claiming that someone from the school is why that happened... ( he stops, because that's not untrue. ) We had Reserve Course students, talentless individuals who believed the rumor their money was being used to nurture the culprit, and they proceeded to create a revolution... they destroyed, they killed themselves, they were swallowed up by despair. ( two. )
From that incident: The Biggest, Most Awful, Most Tragic Event in Human History was right before our eyes. The "anti-talent" were up in arms, those that were under the sickness that was despair ( three. ) followed the Mastermind's steps to destroying the world, eradicating hope. ( he rolls his eyes, scoffs right after as he continues on: ) The second killing game involved the students of Class 78th, they were assembled one by one, asked if they could bring hope back to the world despite The Parade was ongoing, and so they shielded Hope's Peak Academy, covered the windows, locked themselves inside, and willingly agreed to erase their memories in order to live a normal school life. It sounds like... a fantasy, some sort of romance comedy, but the idea of coming together, producing hopeful offspring to protect the world was quickly dismissed because they allowed despair ( four. ) into their ranks, an oversight, and so the killing game started again. I told you before, about the sister who was killed? She was part of this group, a spy... in a way, retained her memories, and died knowing their family member was the mastermind who killed them to start the killing game. It takes one murder to induce fear, to make them fight tooth and nail for survival...
( closing his eyes, he thinks back to what he remembers, or have heard. it's a shame that he missed naegi's victory all because he couldn't find a tv. ) I was unlucky, but Naegi Makoto-kun, who now bears the title of Ultimate Hope, defeated Ultimate Despair, the person who caused the world to plummet... a high-school, teenager girl by the name of Enoshima Junko-san. ( her name fills him with disgust as she falls off his tongue, a burning rage, the irritation as he grits his teeth afterwards. )
As for my class...
( ... his class that watched hope die before their eyes, his class that became despair from the mere sight that they couldn't function were engulfed in sickness. they were the mastermind's most important pieces, as ultimate despair, they would cover the world in its darkness — they had the ability given their talents. the ultimate princess? using her army, she could bring parts of the nation down to their needs. the ultimate chef? take the lives of those that he kills, using them as his next meal, force the unexpected into cannibalism, and they too would despair after eating a loved one. the ultimate mechanic... how else did all those robots and monokuma units cover the world in the way that they did.
ultimate luck? how lucky was he to find a child he could groom into becoming the second junko enoshima? it was a hopeful endeavor, that's what komaeda believed at the time, but even the thought of his actions burn him inside and out. )
We took part on that stage as well, as the third killing game, and they were faced with the same opponent who wanted to continue her reign of despair. ( five. they, because komaeda didn't live to see it, but he was able to watch this one, he saw the hope that emitted from hinata hajime, he was in awe, in shock, in fear... in love, he was many things at the sight to see the other fall from grace, but then overcome the pain that he felt. to see him defeat despair, komaeda could let it all happen again, because he trusts hinata enough that he can see through any of its darkness. ) ...A glorious victory. ( he doesn't stay on this topic long, odd, but he's only here to answer natsume's question. )
...Hope's Peak Academy was then rebuilt afterwards, that might have been the stage where Amami-kun's game was hosted. That would make his first game the fourth, and he... wanted to see a fifth. Through these killing games, only one thing stays the same of what their goal is... if he won the fourth, then that means they killed the Mastermind... if he curated another game, just out of want... his intentions can only go so far, but... this by no means is said for you to turn against him. His role is something that's hard to understand, but...
( why did he put his life on the line as much as he does, someone who is the mastermind wouldn't do something so risky, not when he can gather the students here like sheep. ) Ah... ( he looks down, thoughtful. ) Do you believe that the students here can't trust him... he has pitiful aim when catching wild insects, but his method of killing was spot on, and yet that's not a reason to execute him. But... if he asked for another game, it's hard to say how many he's been in... or how many have been introduced to despair. ( six. ) So it's obvious... if it wasn't hope he was spreading, then the other means nothing but mass murders, mass suicides, the world burning down to the roots so that hope can no longer prosper. ( he glances at natsume. ) So I must ask, what conclusions have you came to?
it's difficult to say; it's difficult to digest all of this information at once, even as he goes to picking each sentence apart to figure out what's useful and what isn't, what can be used for later and set aside to think on further. a lot of the history of the killing games goes there—the world and what happened, komaeda's lack-of talking about the one he'd been in, so on—things he notes, but will spend more time on later.
so not quite tossed out, but held in the back of his mind.
komaeda said despair six times to hope's five, not including names or titles or anything like that.
... )
To my utmost reGRET, people are not painted in shades of black and WHITE. It'd be much easier to deal with them if they WERE. ( it's still plenty easy to hate them and resent them for shades of grey though; it might be easier, even, if you can't just chalk it up to their innate nature, but a choice they're making. natsume weighs his words, mind heavy with the amount of information given to him.
sometimes talking to komaeda is no different than talking to anyone at yumenosaki. ) RegardLESS... If you ask ME, Amami-kun doesn't seem smart enough to pull off the long-CON. He's SHARP, and he's a JERK, but he's an idiOT. Anyone who gets involved with someone else while plotting the eventual deaths of their peers IS.
( and maybe
for rika's sake, even if she's dead, he'd like amami to be capable of not being entirely terrible. they'd been close; it would break her heart to be betrayed (again), thinking of the way she'd looked when natsume had come out about killing two of her friends those months ago...
everyone's hiding something, here; some people's secrets are just worse than others. natsume cups his chin with his hand, eyebrows pressing together. still—despite any of that, he can't shake his suspicion of amami... he knows he has his biases, but just because he hates someone doesn't make them a terrible person. he guesses. it's still hard to convince himself of that.
a sigh. )
At BEST, it's just a skeleton or several in his cloSET, and at WORST, he'll get the bright idea to graduate using the same method the girl last year did: murdering his entire YEAR. ( no competition makes for an easy graduation. ) I'd like to gauge it mySELF, so I'll ask Amami-kun about this viDEO. A liar always knows another liAR, Nagito-kun.
( it's a hazard. )
...What were your concluSIONS? Considering you asked about MINE, it's only FAIR.
...You are a liar, you're the most hated being because you're unable to be honest to yourself or others.
( he starts, his judgement of natsume has always been he's two-faced, he puts on an act to fit in with the rest of the sheep. as much as he wants to be the owner of this group, that's not how it works, he can try though, and it's only failure — there's only so many people that can be swept up by his magic. yet, komaeda doesn't hate him for that, he doesn't hate anyone other than despair, the idea, the concept makes him sick, and if that was the case he'd hate amami as well too. he said it over and over again, despair is what mastermind's typically bring if they host a killing game, the absolute thrill of seeing what they love taken from them, from others, the misery that breaks them down, and not build them up. )
Amami-kun... I'll test him myself, I've had a thought for quite awhile now. I know the makings of a Mastermind.
( don't ask him how, he won't elaborate, but he's familiar because there's confidence in his voice as he says that. rather than the self-loathing he typically gives when he's so sure of when it comes to who he is. he could correct natsume's words, tell him not to speak of an ultimate in a light that doesn't fit them, but it's true... he's seen the other. he saw him put his life in danger during the meeting, saw how much far he's willing to jump without thinking of the consequences. the second time he met him, he was interested in uncovering mysteries like a child who had been given a brand new toy. )
As for my conclusions, I can feel hope and I can feel despair, for a Mastermind of low moral turpitude, he doesn't have that sort of aura that comes off of him. It's why I have my reservations... he's complicated.
( yet, he was confused when gauging hinata, that he was someone like him, a person who stood on the sidelines and watches others with admiration. he was right, he was wrong, he was both by the end, but towards the end, hinata is a person he could rely on, had high hopes for, always will be attached to no matter what happens. could he say if his conclusions are wrong, would he be able to share something like that with amami when a video like this exists? he doesn't know because he's unsure what part he could be wrong about. )
If you're going to engage, see how much of his story adds up to what you know from the video, there's some truth even if he isn't aware of it all... besides, you're a liar. You want to force him to lie, yet... take care of him, he's still an Ultimate that had the ability to choose another game if what we watched is real. ( but he stops, a small frown, but it's something that sits in his mind. ) Saihara-kun trusts Amami-kun, Kawaii-san trusted Amami-kun... because he was their...
( it rolls off his tongue unfamiliar, but he pushes through. ) ...friend. Please engage with him with that in mind, the Ultimate Detective deductions... are always right.
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( love is... a sensitive subject, as someone like komaeda who loves every ultimate in existence, yes, he still does love amami despite those faults, but as he thinks on the tape aside from his talent, to hear saihara's name mentioned, the hopegasming comes to an end. he swallows down the saliva in his throat, the flustered expression dying down as he looks at natsume. )
...Is that what you think?
( komaeda has a nasty behavior, but to think that amami is why saihara is here, killed him to have stronger hope, and then was killed along the way? it's difficult to explain how komaeda feels, love is... such a concept that clouds anyone's eyes depending on how they feel for another. )
I loved Saihara-kun. ( he starts. ) The Ultimate Detective... I felt as if his greatness was covered in the filth of those around him, dampening his light, and he drowned to the bottom like the rest, but you have no business commenting on that. You were part of his ascent to greater heights. I wonder does it hurt you to say that about him, Sakasaki-kun.
( as for amami, however, komaeda leans against the table, and this is where his smile dims itself. amami rantarou, the ultimate survivor, that such of responsibility, that hope is stronger than most. living, succeeding, but it can be written in so many ways — did he kill his way, or was he a coward who stayed in the shadows to survive. )
...I also love Amami-kun, and yet if he has connections to the killing games, that would make him...? No... I don't feel... ( despair... he mumbles, hand to his chin as he turns away from natsume to turn back around, pacing in thought. his heart skips a beat, but there's a part of him that hurts too... he feels a sickness in his stomach, and a small pain in the back of his head; maybe a migraine, maybe he's thinking too much. his smile flashes briefly in his thought, trusting, warm, and now he's seen some truth, some information that he has to hold onto.
there's a part where he's hesitant, unsure about these recent developments because he doesn't know whether to cry in joy, or wonder if something is wrong with his senses. but... did enoshima have a successor? )
...If you kill the Mastermind, you win the game.
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they're both ultimates. )
So he killed whoever that WAS. Good for HIM. That doesn't erase the fact he decided he wanted to play aGAIN. ( which... which doesn't settle with natsume, at all.
given the chance, wouldn't you just divorce yourself from the experience? why go again, with the hopes of ending it quicker than the last? ...he's suspicious, but natsume understands people aren't completely black and white either. maybe there was some kind of agreement amami had. or maybe amami's an asshole, soft-spoken and kind-seeming but willing to ruin lives for the sake of "something better"--which isn't something natsume completely disagrees with, but the method, there, is the problem, always has been, whether it's people he knows from here like komaeda or people he remembers from home like eichi.
the only one who knows the answer to that query, though,
would be the man himself. natsume zips his bag up, pressing his lips together briefly before he turns back to komaeda. ) Why would anyone want THAT, Nagito-kun? Especially if they were simply planning on ending it almost immediately anyway--it doesn't sound like Amami-kun was hoping to help anyone's hope GROW.
( ... )
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( komaeda has a good relationship with monokuma, always calling his headmaster over when he needed to know something, or or needed a certain item from him. he didn't get everything he wanted, but he got enough to where they had a almost positive outlook towards one another. the conversation though, it comes easy to him having been in his own killing game, and he watches natsume as if he's ready to say this video is a joke — doesn't seem to be, he's taking this as seriously as he does everything that threatens his existence. )
Perhaps those Ultimates in his first game were weak, and he wanted to spread hope through another one, but...
( he himself has raised an almost mastermind, monaca was meant to be the second junko — all the way to the point her way of dress, and change of personality was likened to hers. he would build up her despair that hope would break though, changing the trajectory of every person's lives around the world. the thought of why makes him tighten his fist into a ball, his nails pressed into the palm. he doesn't want to love and to hate amami. ) ...It's complicated, I can't doubt him... ( he can be wary. ) but it's not unfamiliar. In the second killing game, the Mastermind killed their own sister to relish in despair. ( one. ) So... you're correct, he could have done it to not spread hope...
The first killing game of Hope's Peak Academy didn't prove fruitful for us... Every student from the Student Council was forced to play, and they all died one by one... Due to that event, you can say despair had planed its seed, and destroyed Hope's Peak from the inside out, calling the school a liar, claiming that someone from the school is why that happened... ( he stops, because that's not untrue. ) We had Reserve Course students, talentless individuals who believed the rumor their money was being used to nurture the culprit, and they proceeded to create a revolution... they destroyed, they killed themselves, they were swallowed up by despair. ( two. )
From that incident: The Biggest, Most Awful, Most Tragic Event in Human History was right before our eyes. The "anti-talent" were up in arms, those that were under the sickness that was despair ( three. ) followed the Mastermind's steps to destroying the world, eradicating hope. ( he rolls his eyes, scoffs right after as he continues on: ) The second killing game involved the students of Class 78th, they were assembled one by one, asked if they could bring hope back to the world despite The Parade was ongoing, and so they shielded Hope's Peak Academy, covered the windows, locked themselves inside, and willingly agreed to erase their memories in order to live a normal school life. It sounds like... a fantasy, some sort of romance comedy, but the idea of coming together, producing hopeful offspring to protect the world was quickly dismissed because they allowed despair ( four. ) into their ranks, an oversight, and so the killing game started again. I told you before, about the sister who was killed? She was part of this group, a spy... in a way, retained her memories, and died knowing their family member was the mastermind who killed them to start the killing game. It takes one murder to induce fear, to make them fight tooth and nail for survival...
( closing his eyes, he thinks back to what he remembers, or have heard. it's a shame that he missed naegi's victory all because he couldn't find a tv. ) I was unlucky, but Naegi Makoto-kun, who now bears the title of Ultimate Hope, defeated Ultimate Despair, the person who caused the world to plummet... a high-school, teenager girl by the name of Enoshima Junko-san. ( her name fills him with disgust as she falls off his tongue, a burning rage, the irritation as he grits his teeth afterwards. )
As for my class...
( ... his class that watched hope die before their eyes, his class that became despair from the mere sight that they couldn't function were engulfed in sickness. they were the mastermind's most important pieces, as ultimate despair, they would cover the world in its darkness — they had the ability given their talents. the ultimate princess? using her army, she could bring parts of the nation down to their needs. the ultimate chef? take the lives of those that he kills, using them as his next meal, force the unexpected into cannibalism, and they too would despair after eating a loved one. the ultimate mechanic... how else did all those robots and monokuma units cover the world in the way that they did.
ultimate luck? how lucky was he to find a child he could groom into becoming the second junko enoshima? it was a hopeful endeavor, that's what komaeda believed at the time, but even the thought of his actions burn him inside and out. )
We took part on that stage as well, as the third killing game, and they were faced with the same opponent who wanted to continue her reign of despair. ( five. they, because komaeda didn't live to see it, but he was able to watch this one, he saw the hope that emitted from hinata hajime, he was in awe, in shock, in fear... in love, he was many things at the sight to see the other fall from grace, but then overcome the pain that he felt. to see him defeat despair, komaeda could let it all happen again, because he trusts hinata enough that he can see through any of its darkness. ) ...A glorious victory. ( he doesn't stay on this topic long, odd, but he's only here to answer natsume's question. )
...Hope's Peak Academy was then rebuilt afterwards, that might have been the stage where Amami-kun's game was hosted. That would make his first game the fourth, and he... wanted to see a fifth. Through these killing games, only one thing stays the same of what their goal is... if he won the fourth, then that means they killed the Mastermind... if he curated another game, just out of want... his intentions can only go so far, but... this by no means is said for you to turn against him. His role is something that's hard to understand, but...
( why did he put his life on the line as much as he does, someone who is the mastermind wouldn't do something so risky, not when he can gather the students here like sheep. ) Ah... ( he looks down, thoughtful. ) Do you believe that the students here can't trust him... he has pitiful aim when catching wild insects, but his method of killing was spot on, and yet that's not a reason to execute him. But... if he asked for another game, it's hard to say how many he's been in... or how many have been introduced to despair. ( six. ) So it's obvious... if it wasn't hope he was spreading, then the other means nothing but mass murders, mass suicides, the world burning down to the roots so that hope can no longer prosper. ( he glances at natsume. ) So I must ask, what conclusions have you came to?
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it's difficult to say; it's difficult to digest all of this information at once, even as he goes to picking each sentence apart to figure out what's useful and what isn't, what can be used for later and set aside to think on further. a lot of the history of the killing games goes there—the world and what happened, komaeda's lack-of talking about the one he'd been in, so on—things he notes, but will spend more time on later.
so not quite tossed out, but held in the back of his mind.
komaeda said despair six times to hope's five, not including names or titles or anything like that.
... )
To my utmost reGRET, people are not painted in shades of black and WHITE. It'd be much easier to deal with them if they WERE. ( it's still plenty easy to hate them and resent them for shades of grey though; it might be easier, even, if you can't just chalk it up to their innate nature, but a choice they're making. natsume weighs his words, mind heavy with the amount of information given to him.
sometimes talking to komaeda is no different than talking to anyone at yumenosaki. ) RegardLESS... If you ask ME, Amami-kun doesn't seem smart enough to pull off the long-CON. He's SHARP, and he's a JERK, but he's an idiOT. Anyone who gets involved with someone else while plotting the eventual deaths of their peers IS.
( and maybe
for rika's sake, even if she's dead, he'd like amami to be capable of not being entirely terrible. they'd been close; it would break her heart to be betrayed (again), thinking of the way she'd looked when natsume had come out about killing two of her friends those months ago...
everyone's hiding something, here; some people's secrets are just worse than others. natsume cups his chin with his hand, eyebrows pressing together. still—despite any of that, he can't shake his suspicion of amami... he knows he has his biases, but just because he hates someone doesn't make them a terrible person. he guesses. it's still hard to convince himself of that.
a sigh. )
At BEST, it's just a skeleton or several in his cloSET, and at WORST, he'll get the bright idea to graduate using the same method the girl last year did: murdering his entire YEAR. ( no competition makes for an easy graduation. ) I'd like to gauge it mySELF, so I'll ask Amami-kun about this viDEO. A liar always knows another liAR, Nagito-kun.
( it's a hazard. )
...What were your concluSIONS? Considering you asked about MINE, it's only FAIR.
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( he starts, his judgement of natsume has always been he's two-faced, he puts on an act to fit in with the rest of the sheep. as much as he wants to be the owner of this group, that's not how it works, he can try though, and it's only failure — there's only so many people that can be swept up by his magic. yet, komaeda doesn't hate him for that, he doesn't hate anyone other than despair, the idea, the concept makes him sick, and if that was the case he'd hate amami as well too. he said it over and over again, despair is what mastermind's typically bring if they host a killing game, the absolute thrill of seeing what they love taken from them, from others, the misery that breaks them down, and not build them up. )
Amami-kun... I'll test him myself, I've had a thought for quite awhile now. I know the makings of a Mastermind.
( don't ask him how, he won't elaborate, but he's familiar because there's confidence in his voice as he says that. rather than the self-loathing he typically gives when he's so sure of when it comes to who he is. he could correct natsume's words, tell him not to speak of an ultimate in a light that doesn't fit them, but it's true... he's seen the other. he saw him put his life in danger during the meeting, saw how much far he's willing to jump without thinking of the consequences. the second time he met him, he was interested in uncovering mysteries like a child who had been given a brand new toy. )
As for my conclusions, I can feel hope and I can feel despair, for a Mastermind of low moral turpitude, he doesn't have that sort of aura that comes off of him. It's why I have my reservations... he's complicated.
( yet, he was confused when gauging hinata, that he was someone like him, a person who stood on the sidelines and watches others with admiration. he was right, he was wrong, he was both by the end, but towards the end, hinata is a person he could rely on, had high hopes for, always will be attached to no matter what happens. could he say if his conclusions are wrong, would he be able to share something like that with amami when a video like this exists? he doesn't know because he's unsure what part he could be wrong about. )
If you're going to engage, see how much of his story adds up to what you know from the video, there's some truth even if he isn't aware of it all... besides, you're a liar. You want to force him to lie, yet... take care of him, he's still an Ultimate that had the ability to choose another game if what we watched is real. ( but he stops, a small frown, but it's something that sits in his mind. ) Saihara-kun trusts Amami-kun, Kawaii-san trusted Amami-kun... because he was their...
( it rolls off his tongue unfamiliar, but he pushes through. ) ...friend. Please engage with him with that in mind, the Ultimate Detective deductions... are always right.